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On 11 Jul 2001, Pratyatosa Dasa, wrote: > Most of the following quotes are from the VNN.ORG > article, "Gurukuli Reunion: A Great Stumbling Block?" > (http://vnn.org/editorials/ET0107/ET10-6825.html) > by Guru-Krishna Das Yes, nice quotes. However, as far as the gurukulis getting together, most of them are not very strict in their personal dealings in general. If they get together and have kirtana, take prasadam, etc. those spiritual activities should be encouraged. What many older devotees don't realize or want to admit is that our generation, on the whole, has shown our children a terrible example in regards to our own sexual conduct. So much divorce, affairs--even by so many respected leaders. Even if we as an individual have set a good example, in general we come across as hyprocrites when we preach heavy on this subject. (Urmila Devi Dasi) |
Pratyatoṣa’s Reply:
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Take a look at our own marriage. We were
very strict while Srila Prabhupada was running things and the
ISKCON leaders were preaching purely. *********** Prabhu [an ISKCON
temple president whom my wife and I served under], for example, had
had some problems with fall down within his marriage, but this did
not stop him from preaching purely: "I'm not a very good example,
but Srila Prabhupada says…". Now the ISKCON leaders are watering
things down. They have disobeyed Srila Prabhupada’s final order on
initiations, and therefore they are incapable of preaching
purely. Someone who simply wants to control and exploit those under him (or her) will, in subtle ways, encourage them to break the regulative principles (of freedom) because then these subordinates will become spiritually weak, and are therefore easier to control and to be put into illusion. These deviant so-called leaders give the excuse that "How can I expect them to be more strict than we have been.", but this is nonsense. Why shouldn't someone who was brought up by devotee parents be able to be more strict than their parents were? Even if they aren't capable of being more strict than we were, this should not deter us from repeating what Srila Prabhupada has taught us without any adulteration. |
“It is a psychological fact that when a woman at the age of puberty
meets a man and the man satisfies her sexually, she will love that
man for the rest of her life, regardless who he is. Thus so-called
love within this material world is nothing but sexual
satisfaction.” (SB 4.25.42 Purport)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: “This coeducation is very bad.”
Prabhupāda: “And in the Western countries it is openly allowed, dating. ‘Please learn this art.’ (pause) And if you keep woman chaste, then nice children will come, no hippies.” (770628r2.vrn)
Prabhupāda: “Why these big, big institutions for wasting time and dating between girls and boys, and then they learn expert how to kill child, how to make abortion? Expert. Simply concentration on sex. Then become hippie. Frustration. Worship hog. Do they not?” (770714rc.vrn)
Prabhupāda: “They should be stopped, this practice of prostitution. This is a very bad system in Europe and America. The boys and girls, they are educated--coeducation. From the very beginning of their life they become prostitutes. And they encourage.”
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: “Oh, yeah.”
Prabhupāda: “They distribute pills. I have seen the boys and girls dancing together, embracing, in the school film. That ruins the career. Both of them are ruined. That is very regrettable. Then you shall require this sterilization, pills, another big program. They are creating animal civilization, and when the animals are disturbing, they are trying to find out some other means. This is their program. First of all create animals. Then, when the animals behave like animals, then another program. Why do you create animal? Woman brahmacarini, this is artificial.”
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: “In our centers, though, there are so many brahmacarinis, and even sometimes they’re encouraged to remain brahmacarini.”
Prabhupāda: “That they cannot. As soon as they will find opportunity, they will become vyabhicarini.”
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: “They’ll become what?”
Prabhupāda: “Vyabhicarini. For woman, protection.”
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: “So you don’t advocate this remaining sing…, these women remaining brahmacarinis.”
Prabhupāda: “Therefore polygamy was allowed. Let them be taken care of, one husband, three wives. Therefore the kṣatriyas were taking hundreds of women. They had money.”
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: “Who?”
Prabhupāda: “Kṣatriyas.”
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: “Kṣatriyas, yes.”
Prabhupāda: “Just like we see, when Devaki was married, so many Devaki’s young friends also went. They were taken shelter. The woman population is always bigger.” (end) (770429rc.bom)
“Social freedom of man and woman, especially among the younger
section, is certainly a great stumbling block on the path of
spiritual progress.” (SB 3.12.28 Purport)
“If one cannot understand the basic principle of restraining
association between man and woman, he is to be considered an
animal.” (SB 7.12.9 Purport)
“Don’t allow this miniskirt or minishirt. According to Vedic
civilization, respectable woman cannot be seen even by the sun.
Asuryam pasyat. How can you avoid sun? But it is said like that.
The sun will find difficulty to see one man’s woman. Yes. Asuryam
pasyat. Asuryam. Sūrya means the sun. Sun cannot. Sun will also
hanker after her: ‘How can I see that woman?’ (chuckles) So woman
should be always in privacy.” (690506we.bos)
“The Sanskrit word asurya-pasya indicates that a respectable lady
could not be seen even by the sun. In the oriental culture this
system was very much prevalent and was strictly observed by
respectable ladies, both Hindu and Muslim. We have actual
experience in our childhood that our mother would not go next door
to her house to observe an invitation by walking; she would go in
either a carriage or a palanquin carried by four men.” (Cc Adi
13.114)
“The high-class society, a woman cannot mix with any
man--especially unmarried. The fathers, parents, will not allow.”
(760612sb.det)
“Because the system in your country to allow the boys and girls
enjoying sex life from the very early age makes them most
irresponsible and careless…. If things are allowed to go on like
this, the future of the Western world is very dark.”
(68-08-08.Sat)
“The boys and girls, they are not allowed free mixing before
marriage.” (680722wl.mon) “…free mixing of boys and girls; these
are not the activities of religious persons.” (70-01-26.Mad) “Woman
is considered to be the fire, and the man is considered to be the
butter…. Therefore they may be brought together only when it is
necessary. And shyness is a check to the unrestricted mixing. It is
nature’s gift, and it must be utilized.” (SB 1.10.16 Purport)
“With woman you should be very, very cautious and careful, as much
as required, not free mingling. No. Therefore, according to Vedic
civilization, there is always a separation between woman and men.
Here in India we find that whenever there is some meeting the women
are sitting separately, men are sitting separately. This is
required.” (760417sb.bom)
“Unnecessary association with women … is strictly prohibited.
This is human civilization. A civilization that allows men to mix
unrestrictedly with women is an animal civilization. In Kali-yuga,
people are extremely liberal, but mixing with women and talking
with them as equals actually constitutes an uncivilized way of
life.” (SB 7.12.8 Purport)
“One should associate with women only for important business and
not otherwise.” (SB 7.12.9)
“However advanced one may be in restraining the senses, it is
almost impossible for a man to keep himself controlled in the
presence of a woman…. Therefore, Vedic civilization carefully
restricts mingling between men and women. If one cannot understand
the basic principle of restraining association between man and
woman, he is to be considered an animal. That is the purport of
this verse.” (SB 7.12.9 Purport)
“Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura says that talking with
women for the purpose of mingling with them for sense
gratification, subtle or gross, is strictly prohibited. Cāṇakya
Paṇḍita, the great moral instructor, says, matrvat para-daresu.
Thus … everyone should avoid mingling with women.” (CC Antya
2.144)
“This too much intermingling of woman means the path of hell.
Therefore the restriction is that only the married couple can
freely mix, not others…. That is the defect of the modern
civilization…. They are interested associating with man or woman,
that’s all. Woman is interested to associate with man, and man is
interested to associate with woman. Yositam sangi-sangam. Therefore
the civilization is becoming hellish…. Now the woman is hankering
after man, man is hankering after woman. Yosit means for sense
gratification. Tamo-dvaram. This is the path of darkness.
(750521mw.mel)
“The human being is a social animal, and his unrestricted mixing
with the fair sex leads to downfall. Such social freedom of man and
woman, especially among the younger section, is certainly a great
stumbling block on the path of spiritual progress. Material bondage
is due only to sexual bondage, and therefore unrestricted
association of man and woman is surely a great impediment.” (SB
3.12.28 Purport)
“To be a playboy in this life is unfortunate because too much
attraction to women will lead one to fall into the association of
śūdras, who can easily take advantage of mingling with women
without restriction. In this present age of Kālī … such free
mingling is prominent. Among the higher classes … there is no
chance for men to mingle with women freely, but in the śūdra
community such mingling is open. Because there is no cultural
education in this age of Kālī, everyone is spiritually untrained,
and everyone is therefore to be considered śūdra…. When all the
people become śūdras, certainly they are very bad (mandah
sumanda-matayah). Thus they manufacture their own way of life, with
the result that they gradually become unfortunate (manda-bhagyah),
and furthermore they are always disturbed by various
circumstances.” (SB 7.15.70 Purport)
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