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Concerning krishna1008 - Anonymous account of Pishima (Prabhupada's sister):
1. Evidence that the “Anon Amos” letter was a hoax
2. “Anon Amos” is a psychopath?
3. Question from Pratyatosa Dasa
1. Evidence that the “Anon Amos” letter was a hoax:
From: David Lugan
Date: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 4:17 AM
Subject: Anon Amos
To: tim lee
Cc: Pratyatosa Dasa ACBSP, Bhakta Peter, Bhakta Robin
Dear Puranjana Prabhu,
Hare Krsna! Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Here are some similar quotes that support the idea that "Anon Amos" is [actually] Dasanudasa dasa [a.k.a. David Bruce Hughes]:
"Pishima had already confided in me in Mayapur in 1975 that Srila Prabhupada was being poisoned to death. Srila Prabhupada had brought her to Mayapur to cook for him, and for a short time I was her kitchen helper." [Anon Amos, alt.religion.vaisnava, 16 Aug 2000 02:41 PM]
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"In 1975 I was living at the ISKCON center in Mayapur, and made the acquaintance of Srila Prabhupada's sister Pishima. She informed me then that Prabhupada had 'called her there to cook for him, because he was being poisoned.' Quote-unquote." [Dasanudasa dasa, Forum Compendium, 14 Nov 2007 12:40 PM]
"The master was very enlightened and very wise. He could see the nature of his sannyasi disciples and knew that when he passed from the world, they would fight among themselves and fail to carry on his mission. So very discreetly, through a most trusted emissary, he sent a confidential message to a certain very humble disciple who was not a famous sannyasi, but who worked in the kitchen and serving the Deities:" [Dasanudasa dasa, Forum Compendium, 06 Feb 2008 11:54 PM]
"Finally I asked Pishima how the movement would go on after all this devastation. Pishima replied that Srila Prabhupada had told her that Krishna would take care, and that he had already picked one of his disciples to be his successor. But the successor would not manifest his potency until after the present structure of ISKCON was completely destroyed." [Anon Amos, alt.religion.vaisnava, 16 Aug 2000 02:41 PM]
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"When Srila Prabhupada left this world, he sent a special message to me through his sister Pishima. Basically he told me that I should wait for some time and then preach independently, and I would have his complete blessings for spiritual success." [Dasanudasa dasa, Forum Compendium, 08 Nov 2007 09:38 PM]
"'I am leaving this world and have not named a successor, but you should you know that you are actually my successor. Of all my disciples, you have understood my message the best. In the future you will attain complete enlightenment and go on to have a few very nice disciples. In their time, they will re-establish this mission and go on to help many people. Beware of the 'big leaders.' If they know I have chosen you, out of envy they will kill you. So go into hiding for at least 25 years; by that time they will have battled each other into impotence. Keep studying my books and working on your sadhana, and in time you will attain everything by my blessing and God's mercy. Then the Lord will empower you to preach all over the world in an unprecedented way. You will succeed where the 'big leaders' have failed. Now go with my blessings, and may all good fortune be yours.'" [Dasanudasa dasa, Forum Compendium, 06 Feb 2008 11:54 PM]
"When Srila Prabhupada passed away, I was in India. At the time of his passing, I was in Delhi doing some service for the Vrndavana mandir. As soon as I heard of Srila Prabhupada's passing, I rushed to Vrndavan only to find that the samadhi ceremony had already been performed. All the devotees were shocked and lamenting in separation. All, that is, except the new "gurus", who were celebrating. Their mood was in such contrast to the rest of the devotees that it really stood out." [Anon Amos, alt.religion.vaisnava, 16 Aug 2000 02:41 PM]
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"I still remember the day after Prabhupada's disappearance in Vrndavan, when all the devotees were mad with feelings of depression, separation and hopelessness at His untimely demise. Bhavananda and Tamal Krsna were running around making political arrangements in preparation to announcing themselves as 'gurus'. They were enjoying themselves like anything -- having fun when all the sincere disciples were overwhelmed with grief and suffering." [Dasanudas dasa, alt.religion.vaisnava, 14 Feb 2000 03:38 PM]
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"Pishima also told me many other things that Srila Prabhupada told her that are not yet appropriate to reveal. I have kept these secrets in my heart these so many years. It is a relief to finally be able to see these predictions come true." [Anon Amos, alt.religion.vaisnava, 16 Aug 2000 02:41 PM]
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"Just after Srila Prabhupada's disappearance in Vrndavana, Bharata (India), his sister Pishima revealed to me a series of confidential instructions from Srila Prabhupada." [Dasanudasa dasa, Forum Compendium, 21 Jan 2008 01:59 AM]
"I want them to know that I have tons of confidential inside information from Srila Prabhupada himself through his sister Pishima. I have names, dates, places, who did what to whom and why, and who was behind everything." [Dasanudasa dasa, Forum Compendium, 27 Nov 2007 02:23 AM]
Love,
Bhakta David
2. “Anon Amos” is a psychopath?:
From: Bhakta Robin
Date: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: Anon Amos
To: David Lugan
Cc: tim lee, Pratyatosa Dasa ACBSP, Bhakta Peter
Hare Rama,
please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Why did you mention these quotes today? Could you kindly give me the context of this discussion?
By reading this, it is clear that David Bruce Hughes is just one among many professional psychopaths who ruin the Vaishnava community.
Defense Against the Psychopath (Full length Version)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgGyvxqYSbE
What can be done? I personally have absolutely no solution to these psychopaths posing as Vaishnavas. They seem to be especially attracted to Vaishnavism, because of the opportunity to be worshiped as good as God. The uneducated or neophyte devotees fall prey to their lies, that they are the successors to Srila Prabhupada.
The resulting sex and money scandals have ruined the public image of KC to a point that I personally do not even want to be associated with ISKCON. Bad things happen… But I think for these nefarious “devotees” there will be a appropriate punishment when they have to face Yamaraja.
Until then all we can do is to be on the watch for the signs of psychopathy and take appropriate steps to protect our own spiritual and material life from the devastating influence of these demons posing as devotees.
Greetings,
Bhakta Robin
3. Question from Pratyatosa Dasa:
From: Pratyatosa
Date: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: Anon Amos
To: Bhakta Robin
Cc: David Lugan, tim lee, Bhakta Peter
Dear Bhaktas David and Robin, I'm trying to get to the bottom of this.
This is good detective work, Bhakta David Prabhu. It makes sense.
You know David Bruce Hughes, a.k.a. Dasanudasa dasa, better than I, having both been his former "disciples"/followers. Therefore, please answer this question: May we assume that the "Anon Amos" letter is probably just a nonsense concoction from start to finish?
Ys, Ptd
4. Reply from Bhakta Robin:
From: Bhakta Robin
Date: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: Anon Amos
To: Pratyatosa
Cc: David Lugan, tim lee, Bhakta Peter>
Hare Rama,
please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
I assume this is the case.
I would recommend that you watch the youtube video about psychopaths I attached to one of my last e-mails.
It is crucial to understand the nature of psychopaths, since many professional psychopaths are gaining leadership positions in religious organizations. They can lie without any conscience. So they use lies whenever it is possible to control and manipulate the innocent or ignorant people.
The whole Guru scam David Bruce Hughes pulled off was based on this exact "secret appointment" as the next Acharya through Srila Prabhupada's sister. At that time I was not yet aware of the July 9th 1977 letter and had only read about the false GBC Gurus in ISKCON. So after finding David Bruce Hughes I believed his word that Srila Prabhupada had secretly appointed him as the next Acharya through his sister. Now I know that Srila Prabhupada is the only Diksha Guru as per July 9th 1977 letter.
Unfortunately I had no idea about the cheating nature of psychopaths at that time... Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Later we found out about the earlier attempts David Bruce Hughes undertook under different names to create an online community, before he started the esoteric teaching. (So called Tantric Vaishnavism nonsense). So he has been active on the internet for a long time with various concocted attempts.
Greetings,
Bhakta Robin
5. Reply from Bhakta David:
From: David Lugan
Date: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: Anon Amos
To: Pratyatosa
Dear Pratyatosa Prabhu,
Hare Krsna! Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
It is possible he made the whole thing up given he has been caught lying several times (see The Sociopath Next Door).
It's not easy for me to read his words again, I just wanted the devotee community to know that it's highly likely that "Anon Amos" was DBH. He has a history of changing his name on public forums: The Acharya, Desert Shaman, Dasanudas Vanachari, Bhaktisiddhartha Dasanudas, and Buddha Dave.
My humble prayer to Lord Krsna is that all misconceptions are rooted out and that Srila Prabhupada is pleased with our ongoing service:
“If we want to exist as first class men in society all our students must be induced to following the regulative principles. One shouldn’t think artificially he has come to the spontaneous platform. That is sahajiyaism.” [Srila Prabhupada, Letter to Rupanuga, Tirupati, 1974-04-28]
“I am very glad that you have taken to heart the instructions of your Spiritual Master. A bona fide disciple takes the instructions of his Spiritual Master as his life and soul and thus he is advanced on the path of devotional service.” [Srila Prabhupada, Letter to Jananivasa, Calcutta, 1970-09-29]
Love,
Bhakta David
6. Reply from Pratyatosa Dasa:
From: Pratyatosa
Date: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: Anon Amos
To: Bhakta Robin;
Cc: David Lugan, tim lee, Bhakta Peter
Thank you Bhakta David Prabhu. Nice quotes.
Concerning [the letter from “Ashvattama dasa” on <http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2012/12/anonymous-account-of-pishima.html>], according to <http://sp.krishna.com/disciples?page=9> and <http://sp.krishna.com/disciples?page=10>, there is no “Ashvattama dasa” or “Asvattama dasa” among Srila Prabhupada’s initiated disciples. Also, according to the VedaBase, it should be spelled “Asvatthama” or “Ashvatthama.” (He doesn’t even know how to spell his own name?) Does that mean that the “Ashvattama dasa” letter is also a hoax perpetrated by DBH?
At the time, I was at the receiving end of a lot of criticism for my role in helping to get the Turley vs. ISKCON child abuse lawsuit started. I was also feeling a little under-appreciated because of the fact that not one victim of the child abuse had thanked me. Therefore, I’m thinking that his choosing “Lawsuit is Prabhupada’s Desire” as the subject and naming me as possibly the next link in the disciplic succession might have been a trick designed to get me to publish this nonsense in the first place! Is that something that a conniving, underhanded psychopath might do? (Is he best described as a psychopath or a sociopath?)
Ys, Ptd
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